Oh no zombees

brainzzzzzz

mimblewimble:

Three things cannot be long hidden:

The sun

The moon

And the amount of sexual tension between Stiles and Derek

So, the truth.

(via practicallypurple)

Anonymous said: I disagree with what otherbully1 said on your post about the fact that it's false that Gerard and the Darach had nothing to do with Scott. 1. Gerard used Scott to have access to Derek who was the Alpha, his end goal was Derek not Scott. 2. Jennifer was never interested in Scott. She kidnapped the parent of the trio so Derek will be force to work with her. Again what she wanted in the end was Derek not Scott. They both used Scott but Scott was never what they wanted. [1/2]

athenadark:

nagia-pronounced-neijia:

uswe:

kannbrown:

sublimeglass:

athenadark:

I will not talk about the Alpha Pack because I consider it’s still not clear what was their goal, but Deucalion still passed half of the season wanting Derek to joined them. So I think we can assume he wanted both Scott and Derek.

Have you read Harry Potter? In those books if Harry had stayed in his dorm with his head down Voldemort would be stuck in Quirrel’s head. Harry meant well but more often than not he served Voldemort, not because he wanted to, but because Voldemort was a sneaky bastard. He played Harry, and this is what happens with Scott.

Scott sees himself with a superhero origin story, something made worse by Stiles’ expectations of him, and Melissa’s great responsibility attitude, he thinks himself more important than the narrative makes him. He inserts himself into the narrative and often makes things much worse by trying to make them better.

He is trying to help, but doesn’t know what he’s doing.

Here’s my favourite example. In the Batman arc “No Man’s Land” there is an issue with Superman. Superman arrives in the ruins of Gotham (there was an earthquake and for reasons it’s cut off from the US) and tries to solve everything. Batman tells him he’s going to make it worse. Superman doesn’t listen, he goes to the power station and fixes it, restoring power to the city. Except this causes the gang war which was at a stalemate to reignite as they try to get control of the power station and the power it provides (as in control not electricity) and superman is forced to admit he made a mistake.

This is what Scott is doing, he goes in and goes I will fix this, and makes things worse because he doesn’t understand the complexities of the situation. Like arranging a meeting with the Alpha pack when he was a lowly Omega - that’s really arrogant and he’s lucky they didn’t just rip his throat out for the presumption, and we can guess that the reason they didn’t is because they knew Derek would show up. The only person who didn’t know Derek was going to show up was Scott. (If Deaton arranged this [likely] he played Scott like a fiddle.)

This happens again and again. The Nogitsune for example had no interest in Scott but Scott declared himself it’s enemy. By challenging the Nogitsune at Oak Creek, rather than leaving it to the Oni, when he went after Lydia, he led them in an unnecessary battle. The Nogitsune wasn’t threatening Lydia (which they didn’t know) and Lydia had tried to warn them off (which they did know). There are other instances of this, for example Scott’s proclamation in regards to killing Jackson takes place after he has seen Derek rip his throat out and the kanima gets back up. By kidnapping Jackson and taking him from Derek he gets to seem to be the hero but really allowed Jackson to kill 5 more people. If he had have given him to Derek the chances are he would have remained restrained until Peter provided the solution. Derek couldn’t kill him and told him as much.

I get so frustrated with Scott because I want him to live up to his own hype, but he really really doesn’t. He is the focus of the narrative so we expect it all to be about him, and we assume it is, but it’s not. It’s amazing how much clearer the narrative gets when you stop making it about Scott. It’s one of the really clever things about Scott, when we say davis is saying do not pay attention to the man behind the curtain - scott is the curtain

However it’s also realistic writing. 

The point is if Scott was the clear cut do-no-wrong Hero he would be the infallible Mary Sue. The point of Scott isn’t that he does things right, its just that he wants to. He wants to do the right thing and save his friends and also be able to live his life.

Which was also the point of Harry Potter. The reader had Harry’s POV, so they knew he didn’t always feel like the Big Hero although sometimes he tended to believe his own hype. He was just a person with the pressure and expectation, by those around him, that he was going to do the Right Thing and Save Everyone. (Remember how people in the book used to hate on Harry because they thought he thought he was better than them. And all Harry wanted was to fly a broomstick and be left alone - but nobody else was going to do anything, so he stepped up because he felt he had to. He would have failed without his friends and support system, which Scott also must rely on.)

The Hero isn’t the best person, in real life. They are just the person that everyone focuses their energy on - a leader, for good or bad. You get farther if you have someone lead and everyone else guides that person by influencing them and giving them their support. IE, Lydia helping Scott with her intelligence. Stiles helping Scott with his personal connection and deduction. Derek helping Scott with the physical werewolf and leadership questions. Deaton steering Scott with his background information and options. And Scott, having to accept all of that to move forward. 

The problem is being the Leader can give the Hero an inflated ego, and they can begin to think they don’t need their support (their Pack, essentially) which leads to their downfall.

The other problem is, Scott isn’t the one stepping up when others don’t. He’s one of the ones who doesn’t. When the Kanima was killing people, others were offering suggestions. Admittedly, he DID step up to say that the suggestions weren’t ones he preferred (involved killing the kanima), so they say, “Sure, ok…’ and then….nothing.

That’s the thing, he didn’t offer ANY other plan to stop the kanima, who was, after all, KILLING people.  And after he says not to, a whole lot of people died. The only reason the audience wasn’t up in arms over Scott’s inaction about this was that it was likely we knew the kanima, as one of the lead cast (whether Lydia or Jackson) and the deaths were ‘extras’, a bunch of people we, as an audience, didn’t know. If this was a traditional horror movie, we’d be yelling at the screen talking about how killing the guy who turns into a monster was, because killing one guy was better than dozens dying because of him.  But it’s a tv show and we develop more of a relationship and closeness to the main characters than in a horror movie, where we go IN knowing it’s likely that one of the cast is gonna be a ‘bad guy’. 

What has been happening is that the ‘Hermoines’ and ‘Rons’ have actually been coming up with AND executing the plans, trying to get Harry involved, and all Harry is doing is telling them what they shouldn’t do, but just NOT doing something isn’t enough, because people (innocents) are dying in droves due to not stopping the ‘bad thing’. 

The Hero doesn’t have to be all powerful, or perfect, but the point is that he’s generally the one who DOES ‘step up’ when others step back, even when they don’t want to. Not the one who has to be dragged in, kicking and screaming and only acting when it looks like the danger is about to get personal, no matter how many of the ‘faceless masses’ have already died. That’s more the….antihero (NOT the villain, to be clear). 

He comes in at the end, often did nothing that actually fixed the situation (Lydia fixed the Kanima, Stiles and Lydia were mostly responsible for stopping that. Scott’s plan with Gerard didn’t actually work. Jennifer was killed by Peter, and Deucalion, well, he got a stern talking to.. but he’s still out there).  But he still got credit for ALL of it. Hell, he got credit for Motel California and he had NOTHING to do with the people saved there, even by extension.

As long as his inaction isn’t dealt with, and he gets praise for, I don’t know, ‘just being you’, it’s going to be hard for him to step up and become the hero the narrative wants him to be. Unless it isn’t really setting him up for that, but for a fall (and maybe the one and only actual TW redemption arc). 

This meta’s been sitting in my drafts for ages. And, except for the parenthetical that implies that Allison didn’t have a real redemption arc, it’s really great meta. Even at the end of Season 4, Scott was mostly the victim, his greatest triumph overcoming his own brainwashing. Sure, it was the fact that he was gone that brought everyone else together, but a lot of his struggle was internal. Internal struggle is still super valid, and it was great to see his connection to Liam, to his pack, be an important component of his internal struggle, but Big Damn Heroes tend to fight external things.

Like, Scott was fighting Peter, but the fight wasn’t really about Peter. And the fight with Peter isn’t over, just temporarily shelved.

This is pretty on-the-nose for how I feel about Scott. (And I will argue that while Allison gets something like a redemption arc, she spent most of season 3 being either sorry but trying to stay unconnected or totally shelved. Thanks for that, Davis.)

My issue with Scott is that the narrative treats him like a hero — when he is basically the worst at protagonisting. Not only does he categorically reject any plan that would permanently solve the problem of the season, he turns around, makes things worse, and then gets praised by pretty much everyone in the narrative.

Like… what? I get that Stiles will pretty much always throw all his weight behind supporting Scott. But other characters (like, say, Lydia or Melissa or even the fucking Sheriff, since Deaton and Isaac never will, and like nobody cares what DEREK thinks) need to call attention to the bullshit. And they never do, because Jeff Davis would rather have shirtless make-out scenes and astonishingly well-adjusted feral children and weirdo dance parties than MAKE TIME TO FIX AN ONGOING PROBLEM IN HIS FUCKING STORY.

I do disagree with the last paragraph, you’re saying it’s an ongoing problem and I think it’s very much deliberate

it’s clearly intended because the people who see Scott’s bullshit are the ones who won’t call him on it - like Derek, Allison, but those who might, Stiles, Lydia, don’t and get the story second hand.

He has been called on his bullshit, not nearly enough, Derek did with the lie about Allison’s mother

but the whole show is about unreliable narration, who told these charactres what happened, lets say Scott told Stiles about the pez dispenser Derek atrocity- he’s going to believe him as Scott tells him a version in which Derek is the villain who was overcome.

That’s the point, it’s not a mistake, and it feeds into the concept of Scott going dark - it’s meant to break our hearts when he goes dark, because we beleive in Scott (hahahaha) because they do

"I get that Stiles will pretty much always throw all his weight behind supporting Scott."

See, and I think even this is going by the wayside these days. S4 was pretty clear on that.

Scott comes up with a “let’s save the day!” plan and Stiles looks at him and literally, canonically, goes “no no this is a bad idea”. Straight up.

stiles has always cheered Scott on, but it got his dad kidnapped and almost killed (cause if the baseball bat hadn’t held up that collapsing root chamber, they’d all be goo regardless of sacrifices or not, and how DID an ALUMINUM baseball bat hold up the weight of a collapsing structure anyways?), it got his dad hurt, it spiked the hospital bills through the roof.

And now, Liam can werewolf whisper.

I think season 5’ll be an interesting one to watch, if for no other reason than the trouble in paradise.

Anonymous said: I think that Jennifer and Cora in S3A were intended to NO HOMO the way Braeden and Malia are doing now—the plan was foiled by Adelaide's impending departure, so Stora wasn't pushed like Stalia and we got a grace period. Dethan and Caitlin were the crumbs we were supposed to be satisfied with. The timing is that TPTB freaked out after S2. First they tried to redirect and mollify us; then they finally dumped us. The Advocate article was face-saving hypocrisy.

sterekmeta:

ohno-zombees:

sterekmeta:

Interesting theory. 

Because if that’s how they are ‘no homo’ing’ things, it’s a really strange way to do it. 

I mean, yes, it does seem like Stiles was always destined to have a relationship with a girl- either Erica or Cora or Malia. That’s because he’s bisexual, and that means he sleeps with both boys and girls. We’ve had plenty (plenty) of evidence that first relationships never last on Teen Wolf, so the point is that maybe he’s going to start with a girl, but that doesn’t mean he’s going to stop there. 

And as for Derek- Really? Jennifer is the one who’s going to prove he’s straight? Jennifer? I mean, the actress is gorgeous, no denying that. But Jennifer was a psychotic killer who used a magical spell, powered by three virgin sacrifices, to make him fall for her, and then who’s spell was broken by Stiles. 

I don’t see that as being a convincing argument that he’s straight. A girl who has to bespell him to have him fall for her, and who comes out of the spell when his bf shows up? No. Not so much.

Braeden is actually a much better example of Derek being straight, except for all the rampant Sterek stuff going on all through the season, which turn her into a more convincing arguement for him being Pan. 

I’m just not buying it. 

Actually, Donno if it’s been mentioned, but I see people talking about Derek as a Pan/Dionysus analogue, and I wonder:

There’s that glowpaint party, with the “the DJ doesn’t take requests”/”he’ll take mine” interplay?

Pan/Dionysus as lord of the party? Doesn’t he do that (or something similar) more than once? I want to say in Raving.

Regardless, fun fact: Pan is where we get “panic” from. Shipper side of me dearly hopes we get Derek talking Stiles out of a panic attack (maybe about his actions as a nogitsune?)

But that’s just me daydreaming.

This is awesome and interesting and when I’m not trying to get 110 inches of sleeve into a 19 inch armseye, I’ll be happy to discuss it with you. (I don’t even)

But what I meant was Pan-sexual. Not Pan the deity. Sorry. 

No, no. For some weird reason, tumblr mobile fucked up my reblogs. I think that was directed to another member of the meta pack, and it got missent?

Ugh, this mobile app chaps my ass I stg.

Anonymous said: I think that Jennifer and Cora in S3A were intended to NO HOMO the way Braeden and Malia are doing now—the plan was foiled by Adelaide's impending departure, so Stora wasn't pushed like Stalia and we got a grace period. Dethan and Caitlin were the crumbs we were supposed to be satisfied with. The timing is that TPTB freaked out after S2. First they tried to redirect and mollify us; then they finally dumped us. The Advocate article was face-saving hypocrisy.

sterekmeta:

Interesting theory. 

Because if that’s how they are ‘no homo’ing’ things, it’s a really strange way to do it. 

I mean, yes, it does seem like Stiles was always destined to have a relationship with a girl- either Erica or Cora or Malia. That’s because he’s bisexual, and that means he sleeps with both boys and girls. We’ve had plenty (plenty) of evidence that first relationships never last on Teen Wolf, so the point is that maybe he’s going to start with a girl, but that doesn’t mean he’s going to stop there. 

And as for Derek- Really? Jennifer is the one who’s going to prove he’s straight? Jennifer? I mean, the actress is gorgeous, no denying that. But Jennifer was a psychotic killer who used a magical spell, powered by three virgin sacrifices, to make him fall for her, and then who’s spell was broken by Stiles. 

I don’t see that as being a convincing argument that he’s straight. A girl who has to bespell him to have him fall for her, and who comes out of the spell when his bf shows up? No. Not so much.

Braeden is actually a much better example of Derek being straight, except for all the rampant Sterek stuff going on all through the season, which turn her into a more convincing arguement for him being Pan. 

I’m just not buying it. 

Actually, Donno if it’s been mentioned, but I see people talking about Derek as a Pan/Dionysus analogue, and I wonder:

There’s that glowpaint party, with the “the DJ doesn’t take requests”/”he’ll take mine” interplay?

Pan/Dionysus as lord of the party? Doesn’t he do that (or something similar) more than once? I want to say in Raving.

Regardless, fun fact: Pan is where we get “panic” from. Shipper side of me dearly hopes we get Derek talking Stiles out of a panic attack (maybe about his actions as a nogitsune?)

But that’s just me daydreaming.

Anonymous said: Do you think that it will have any consequences that Stiles' current body is a demonical creation?

darachmoon:

Honestly, i’m not sure.

But i do find it fascinating that a lot of the characters on Teen Wolf has experienced transformations of some kind that also involves their bodies.

  • Werewolf transformations - bitten, not born - Scott, Isaac, Erica, Boyd, Liam
  • Kanima transformation that again went to werewolf - Jackson
  • Werejaguar, bitten not born - Kate
  • Full wolf transformation - Derek
  • Demonic possession with body clone - Stiles
  • Banshee transformation triggered by bite - Lydia

What seems to be the common denominator is that these transformations seem to involve some sort of power-up. Like Derek said - they evolve. The werecreatures get speed, power, better senses, Lydia leveled up to geiger teller for death and we’ve yet to see what the full wolf transformation might bring for Derek.

The demonic possession of Stiles did leave him with a new body albeit identical to the one he had. But other than that he on the surface doesn’t seem to have been given any new powers. But i do think the arc he went through managed to fast-track the spark we’ve seen hints of since season 2 at least. In my opinon the examples of stiles being something has escalated this season.

(for regular readers i do apologize for listing this once again - but Stiles Is Something (SIS) is my mantra and i do tend to rant about this at every opportunity)

  • He fixed his jeep without knowing how. Someone with a bit of mechanical knowhow told me the part he’s holding up and is hoping “isn’t important” is in fact vital to making the car run. Still moments later we see them speeding along the dusty roads towards the church.
  • He held down an out of control werecoyote on the full moon, and managed to calm her down and anchor her.
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  • He totally killed the chemist in 4x07
  • He broke free of the restraints in Eichen House
  • He locked the door at the hospital
  • He held back a werecoyote trying to hulk!smash the deadpool computer
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  • He rooted around in shards of glass without getting a single cut
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  • He managed to get a phone call in the middle of the Mexican desert in a deserted town and below a church when there was no service
  • He fell down the stairs at Scott’s house without getting hurt
  • He held down Liam in the shower with Scott and Brett at Deaton’s with Derek. He also effortlessly managed to hold the lacrosse stick steady when Coach was tugging at it with two hands.

And in addition there is also the possible connection between stiles and a third eye. And trepanation was first introduced to us when Stiles was possessed and in Eichen house - where dr valack also is.

So, i do believe Stiles has also “evolved” but that he hasn’t fully embraced this yet and is trying to keep it to himself.

So what are you now, Stiles?

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But whether the fact that his body is a demonical creation as you say will have any other consequences are still up in the air. And it might depend on who created it - was it the nogitsune=bandages? In that case it was a helpful deity (most likely created by Noshiko) that despite his creepy visage was there to defeat Void and in the process help stiles. Or was it Void=Fly? In that case, i’d be a bit more worried because i have a feeling we haven’t seen the last of that, and it is everything but benign.

Or maybe Stiles did it himself? I’ve been arguing hard that he is Something after all. perhaps Scott’s roar did free him of the possession and created the belief he needed to break free - literally - by splitting himself.

Not to mention, there’s the fact that when the chemist places the gun against Stiles’ forehead, it directly mimics the placement of Valack’s (?) trepanation.

I study a combat art that teaches gun evasion maneuvers and we’re always taught from a kneeling and/or facing-away position, because facing your opponent, the way the Chemist did, is so easy to escape from that you might as well not bother wasting the bullet.
There’s a reason “execution style” is from BEHIND.

Davis writes crime shows as his big boy writing; let’s not pretend he doesn’t know that.

So why this very deliberate stylistic choice? Yes, we can see Stiles face off against a madman, but the placement of the gun just kind of tickles at me a bit.

It’s probably just seeing a pattern where one doesn’t exist, but given the pretty exhaustive evidence of Stiles pulling off the (literally) impossible, I can’t help but dream.

And if nothing else, the power of Stiles’ belief in that Jeep keeps it going. I don’t even think that thing runs on gasoline any more.

Stiles and what he's hiding.

sterekmeta:

So, I was talking with technologykilledrealityxxxxx (He owes me big time) about Stiles and his state of mental health after the Nogitsune.

There’s no doubt that Stiles was deeply affected by the whole incident. The writers been careful to show us how Stiles is not deal with a…

Wait. Waitwaiiiiit

Davis loves threes, right?

So didn’t we have Parrish echoing Lydia’s “I’m something!” recently? If not, it’s likely to happen soon.

Which means we’ve got Liam and Scott’s “you’re a werewolf not a monster”, and what I suspect will be an “I’m something” moment in the next season, which means that the “abomination” line might actually fit the pattern.

flower-of-the-desert:

obviouslystiles:

calicokat-teenwolf:

obviouslystiles:

calicokat-teenwolf:

cupidsbower:

I’ve seen a few posts lately in which people have talked about how a scene that seemed good on the surface became something else when re-watching. Davis loves to do that — give scenes ironic double meanings once you look at them more closely.

For me, this is one of those scenes. It’s one of the key scenes of 3B, because this is the last time Stiles is Stiles until Nogi splits them in two. In hindsight, that fact is important.

On first viewing, this scene seems so full of heart — brothers there for each other. Look at the way they hold on to each other so damn tightly. It still gives me feels.

But on re-watching 3B, I noticed a really strong pattern. Every time Stiles is slighted by a person he loves, Nogi escalates in some way. So when the Sheriff disbelieves him about Barrow being at the school, for example, that’s the same ep we find out about the blackboard message.

I don’t know whether that means Stiles had some impact on Nogi’s arc, or whether it means that when the people he loves let him down it gave Nogi another chink to gain control. Either way, the pattern is there if you re-watch the season.

Right after this moment between Scott and Stiles in the hospital, Lydia screams, and Nogi takes Stiles over completely.

With that in mind, I watched this scene again, wondering what could have been a trigger in this moment, of all moments, that led into Stiles losing the fight.

And you know what? Scott never offers Stiles the bite. He never asks him to be pack. He doesn’t give Stiles a choice. He just says he’ll do something if he has to.

I know, I know it’s because Scott has internalised his hatred for being a werewolf and doesn’t think the bite is a gift. But nonetheless, if ever there was one, this is the moment to invite Stiles into his pack. And I hate to say it, but even Peter gave Stiles a choice about it when he made the offer of the bite.

When I watch this scene again, I see Stiles waiting, just wanting so much for Scott to ask. To love him enough to ask. Stiles has never hated werewolves, and I think Peter was right that a part of him wanted it, just not with Peter.

See the second-last gif? That’s him realising Scott isn’t going to do it.

So this is Stiles, waiting for Scott to ask. And Scott never does.

And that’s how Nogi gets in.

I’m generally instinctively resistant to…nowadays posts that I even remotely feel paint Scott poorly — I’m exhausted of reading negativity about him; I can see how Scott stanning becomes a thing — but I sat around on this one and I think you’re right here.

I don’t personally think it’s that he sees Scott won’t do it. The way I’m reading it is the resignation to total personally helplessness as the key thing.

Scott: Stiles, if you have it, we’ll do something.
Scott: I’ll do something.

'Doing something' versus 'doing nothing' are key phrases across the show. Scott didn't originally feel a need to do 'something' with his powers, Stiles is the one who planted the seed of Scott throwing himself into action whether he feels confident about his plan of action or not into Scott.

1x05:

Stiles: Do you have any idea what’s going on? Lydia is totally M.I.A., Jackson looks like he’s got a time bomb inserted into his face, another random guy’s dead, and you have to do something about it.
Scott: Like what?
Stiles:Something

1x06:

Scott: Yeah, but that was - I mean - Would you just stop? Please? What happened the other night, Stiles’ dad getting hurt, that was my fault. Ishould have been there to do something. I need you to teach me how to control this.
Derek: Look, I am what I am because of birth. You were bitten. Teaching someone who was bitten takes time. I don’t even know if I can teach you.

1x07:

Stiles: All right, we have to do something.
Scott: Like what?
Stiles: I don’t know. Kill it, hurt it, inflict mental anguish on it. Something.

And, yeah, I think that the “I’ll do something” brought back exactly where I feel like their friendship fell apart in “The Overlooked”, when Scott left with Deucalion with the intention of finding his mom and Stiles’ dad but left Stiles behind with a twist up on the series’ usual lines…

Scott: I don’t know what else to do.
Stiles: No, there’s g… Scott, there’s got to be something else, okay? We always… we always have aplan B.
Scott:Not this time.

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I completely agree on the bit where Stiles’ feels left behind by Scott and powerless. The way I’m reading it atm nogitsune!Stiles has all the power Stiles wants but zero control because his friends aren’t…er, ‘holding him back from becoming a monster like Peter’. (Show is show’s own meta?) 

So, agreeing your instincts are spot on but also thinking this is the point where Scott becomes willing to risk biting someone to save them, which he’s able to do next season although it isn’t Stiles.

I actually understood this scene to be Scott deciding to give Stiles the bite if there were no other options to save him.

But as Cupid commented, he doesn’t offer Stiles the bite, he treats it like a last resort.  The way Scott suggests it basically makes it seem that he believes the bite is barely a better option than being dead.

It sucks because Stiles has never been prejudice against werewolves or supernaturals.  He appreciates them and even envies their abilities.  Actually, this is what Stiles wants to be!  He has always been comfortable with the existence of supernaturals and he jumped willingly into their world.  This is where he fits in, it’s exciting, and it feels right to belong among them.

Yet, the people that Stiles cares for the most, Scott and his father, reject the idea of the supernatural on first instinct.  Neither accept the existence easily into their lives, unlike Stiles.  Scott just wants to be a normal teenage boy and the Sheriff wants the same for Stiles.  Sheriff tries to separate Stiles from his own work as it is to maintain the illusion of Stiles being safe and ‘normal’.  And we all know how much Stiles struggles to keep his father happy.

Nonetheless, Stiles WANTS to be offered the bite from Scott, but Scott can’t even imagine WHY someone would want what he considers a curse.

And that’s just it, to Stiles the bite would never be a curse, it would mean acceptance into Scott’s pack and the bonds of brotherhood.  I can’t even imagine how let down Stiles must be in understanding that the only way Scott would ever offer him this bond is out of pity or threat.

So, as Stiles sees it, taking the bite would mean becoming something shameful in the eyes of those he loves.  All Stiles can imagine is how he would be judged after he was turned.  Something that he once considered to be a gift would be used to make him into a monster.  So while Stiles would still be alive, he would have to live the rest of his life in shame of what he had become.  This is what Scott is really offering him in this scene, this is what Stiles’ is feeling, and it breaks my heart.  Scott makes the decision because he loves Stiles and would rather give him this than to lose him, but in the end, Scott just REALLY doesn’t understand what Stiles wants and needs.

This just proves to Stiles that he can never truly be himself around the people he loves.  His father has punished him time and time again for getting involved with the supernatural.  He fears that being supernatural himself will be the final break in their relationship.  So he resigns himself.  He doesn’t take the bite and he doesn’t even suggest that he wants it.  (Because death has become the better option to the shame and terror of being supernatural? *cries…cries so hard*)

Nogi/Void take over then, and all the disastrous and monstrous things that Stiles fears he will do as a supernatural come true (his worst fears literally manifest themselves as a game to Void…he got to be powerful, but he became a monster in gaining it).  

Stiles recognizes that his possession awoke the spark within him.  Of course, this is why he had always been so drawn to the supernatural.  But now, more than ever, Stiles is struggling to suppress his spark and appear to be the normal kid his father wants him to be.

Stiles has struggled to remain firmly hidden inside his supernatural closet throughout all of season 4.

I hope that in Season 5 we see Derek help Stiles to embrace his spark and come out (both as a supernatural and bisexual). ;D

I also think that Stiles’ acceptance of his powers will help enlighten Scott whom I believe is still traveling down his dark path (though the end of s4 left that ambiguous.)

I wanna chime in and agree most strongly with:

It sucks because Stiles has never been prejudice against werewolves or supernaturals.  He appreciates them and even envies their abilities.  Actually, this is what Stiles wants to be!  He has always been comfortable with the existence of supernaturals and he jumped willingly into their world.  This is where he fits in, it’s exciting, and it feels right to belong among them.

I do still feel like this is a giant pivotal moment where Scott begins his journey to “a werewolf, like me” and his willingness to give the bite to anybody at all — a 180 on his former prejudice. 

The big thing for me at the end of 3B is Stiles unites the pack. Stiles proves to Scott (and Derek) that he is 100% capable of going toe to toe with the supernatural. And, he deals Scott a Plan B that Scott has to accept on the blind faith he will not, in fact, be torn apart at the same time he opens his body up to being torn apart.

And then there’s still the Sheriff. The Sheriff and specifically this shot:

…both showing him at the center of all the strings and asking the audience to ask why.

Personally, right now, my answer is that faithlessness and bias. When I’m not sure if Scott and Stiles have anything left to break or mend rather than occasionally talk out, I’m partly thinking it’s because the stage is going to open on the unresolved tensions between Stiles and his father.

Schism that there is, Scott’s in the room with Stiles, embracing him. The Sheriff is totally outside. Even when Stiles embraces him in “Echo House” — to reassure his father, not the other way around — we see the Sheriff left and the end of a long hallway after thoroughly resisting Stiles’ decision to be committed. 

Ahh, very good visuals on the schism between Stiles and his father.  (Which just makes me cry all the tears.)  There is no doubt that Sheriff loves Stiles, but he still doesn’t understand him at all.  He doesn’t really listen.

I think Sheriff knows he’s falling short, but he just can’t figure out why or how to change.  He’s still falling back on old methods to handle new (supernatural) situations.  He’s not adapting - at least not enough. (Laughably, trying to handle Scott’s kidnapping by involving the police and keeping Stiles out of trouble.) 

Sheriff doesn’t seem to mind letting other supernaturals get involved assuming they are more capable to handle their own ‘kind’. Hence, Sheriff consulting with Derek and Lydia. But he still refuses (or disagrees with) Stiles’ participation, wanting to separate Stiles from the supernatural. Sheriff is pretending to himself that Stiles is normal and needs protection, while also treating Stiles like a child unprepared for the ‘real world’ - none of these assumptions are true. This reveals both his bias and his faithlessness.

Something needs to happen to trigger both Stiles’ coming out and Sheriff’s full understanding/acceptance of it.

Stiles still fears that he is killing his father with his connection to the supernatural.  Similar to whatever makes him believe he is responsible for his mother’s death.  I’m wondering if Stiles needs to acknowledge that he didn’t kill his mother to gain closure before coming out?

Or maybe that realization will be for Sheriff after finding out that Claudia was supernatural too?  Hmm.

Either way, I think Claudia will be the link that mends the schism between father and son.  The same way she was important when Stiles first told Sheriff about the supernatural: 

Stiles: Yeah, and another teacher’s going to die if you don’t start listening to me.

Sheriff: I am listening! I have been listening!

Stiles: You just don’t believe. Mom would’ve believed me.

Yeah, this has always been their problem. Sheriff is willfully ignorant to both Stiles’ bisexuality and his supernatural side.  Claudia can help open his eyes.  She helped the first time. I can see it happening again, and I like it!

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Now, about Scott.  I’m unsure that Scott has actually made the 180 on how he views the bite, that you suggest.  Maybe just a single right turn instead?

Scott bit Liam because of immediate threat.  He did make that decision at least, which shows some growth that he might begin to make the kind of decisions that are necessary to save lives and understand that sacrifices must be made.  But he’s still being reactive not active.

Scott also did not apologize for giving Liam the bite without consent.  Now, is that because Scott is deflecting responsibility because he had no other choice and through some transitive property this is all really Peter’s fault anyway?  As in Scott never asked for any of this and he feels like a ‘victim’ too…

Or, is it because Scott is beginning to realize that these are the types of decisions Alphas have to make and he has to trust that he made the right move?  Maybeee. Though, I’m less convinced he understands this yet - but it could be foreshadowing that one day he will.

Scott fumbles with decision making all season.  We still see him believing that he can ‘save everyone - nobody else dies’ plus his thinking that life can exist without struggles:  

Melissa: Scott, you can save people’s lives.  But you cannot save them from life.  Life is full of struggle.

Scott: But it doesn’t have to be.

He clearly isn’t willing to make active sacrifices yet, and he is still passively blaming his wolf for the struggles.

On top of that, when Scott initially tells Liam that he isn’t a monster, he’s a ‘werewolf, like me’ - I think he is 1) saying it more for himself than for Liam and 2) he isn’t entirely convinced or convincing.

This is supported by Scott’s trip through bardo when his fangs are growing and Liam suggests that he is ‘growing up’ but Scott counters that he is ‘becoming more of a monster’ instead. 

Scott is afraid of growing up.  He is afraid of the responsibility that comes with making difficult life choices. He is afraid of making sacrifices and having to accept fault without using his wolf as a scapegoat. 

I haven’t really decided yet if Liam’s reiteration of the ‘werewolf, like me’ statement actually caused a break through for Scott or if that was just more ‘smoke’.  I say that because I don’t really think we got an example of Scott growing up in the finale.  He didn’t make a sacrifice, accept responsibility, or make an active decision about anything moving forward.  Though Peter was certainly encouraging Scott to do all of these things…

I have doubt about all of this as well. Scott has shown no acceptance of the wolf or who he has become at any point during the time before the finale and then out of nowhere Liam says you’re not a monster and whoopy, it works? Suddenly Scott goes omg, Liam you are so right, thanks, buddy!? I don’t buy it. I think perhaps it has to do with guilt (though admittedly yet another thing Scott’s not very good at). Because he killed Liam in his dream (quite happily too) and no matter how much or how little he cares for the kid, Scott’s gotta feel some guilt over it (at least I hope he does) so I’m wondering if it wasn’t what Liam said but the fact that it WAS Liam that broke through the berserker thing. Because dreaming about killing a 15-year-old is one thing and Scott can probably brush it off like it was justa  dream, I was almost dead, etc but to be about to do it for real? That’s different. So that’s my theory right now but I’ll wait to see how Scott handles his wolf in s05 to decide if Liam’s words had an effect on him or not.

Wait wait wait okay.

I had a thought. The line about

"Stiles: You just don’t believe. Mom would’ve believed me."

I recently made a comment that Stiles has an uncanny ability to sense true intentions. He dislikes Jennifer, Harris and Deaton and probably wouldn’t piss on Kate to put out a fire if you paid him in gold.

He’s the Chaotic Good character here, honestly dishonest, but his instincts are impeccable.

But a lot of that is belief. He believes they’re evil, and so, indeed, they are. He believes the mountain ash will stretch, and so, in fact, it does.

So it’s interesting to me that, with the very few direct mentions to Claudia we see, /belief/ is a critical point.

Stiles: Mom would’ve believed me.

Compare that to the Sheriff who straight up says he hasn’t trusted Stiles since he learned to speak.

It sounds like a clue. The fact that Stiles then seems to have a predisposition for the same degenerative neurological condition that Claudia died from (and I suspect there is a predisposition and the Nogitsune only emphasized, not made it out of whole cloth) and that we know that Claudia told Stiles to “take care of your father” as her last words?

And that Stiles was alone with her as she died?

Is it possible that whatever gift Claudia had, she gave to Stiles on her deathbed? I know that’s practically a foregone conclusion at this point, but it’s just so curious. Davis writes murder mysteries as a day job, and twisty cerebral ones at that. I wonder if perhaps this is another throwback?
What if Claudia’s “take care of your father” was less general (as Stiles, not knowing any better, has interpreted it), and more about a specific incident?

I also like the idea of Claudia Stilinski and Talia Hale having been associates, but that might be reaching.

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i-freakin-love-disney:

killerdraco:

memewhore:

disneyworldwonders:

Can I just say that I think this is the way Mulan should appear int the parks. In the beginning of the movie they make it very clear that the dress she wears to meet the matchmaker is not comfortable nor does it represent her personality. She spends the whole of the film proving that she is not a prize to be won or just a pawn to be married off at earliest convenience. She proves her worth in this outfit. She saves China in this outfit. She falls in love in this outfit. She risks her life, makes her strongest friendships, and changes the entire country IN THIS OUTFIT. Then they have her walk around the park in the same outfit she wore in the first scene of the movie and I think it is really negative toward her character. That is not who she is.



I’ve seen this post pop up on my dash time and time again, and it’s never quite sat right with me. I agree 120% with the idea that the pink “matchmaker dress” is a poor way to represent Mulan in the theme parks, but… so is her soldier armor. It’s just as much not who she is as the pink dress. It represents her pretending to be Ping, and her deceiving everyone around her. It is her pretending to be a man, to be someone else entirely. Honestly, if you want to talk about the outfit that best represents her, I’d suggest this one:

The outfit she wore when she defeated Shan Yu. That is who Mulan is; a warrior, but still a woman. It displays all of the strength that she truly has, yet still manages to be true to who she truly is. This it the outfit that she changed the entire country in; would anything have changed if she was still pretending to be a man? I doubt it. This proves that a woman can be strong, but still be feminine. Given that many people tend to equate being feminine with weakness, I think portraying that the two are not mutually exclusive is a damn powerful message to be portraying to kids in theme parks.
Just my two cents.

THANK YOU


That’s the dress she wore when the Emperor of China bowed to HER. The most powerful person in the kingdom, the ruler of one of the world’s most advanced civilizations, bowed to HER. That’s absolutely the dress she should wear.

i-freakin-love-disney:

killerdraco:

memewhore:

disneyworldwonders:

Can I just say that I think this is the way Mulan should appear int the parks. In the beginning of the movie they make it very clear that the dress she wears to meet the matchmaker is not comfortable nor does it represent her personality. She spends the whole of the film proving that she is not a prize to be won or just a pawn to be married off at earliest convenience. She proves her worth in this outfit. She saves China in this outfit. She falls in love in this outfit. She risks her life, makes her strongest friendships, and changes the entire country IN THIS OUTFIT. Then they have her walk around the park in the same outfit she wore in the first scene of the movie and I think it is really negative toward her character. That is not who she is.

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I’ve seen this post pop up on my dash time and time again, and it’s never quite sat right with me. I agree 120% with the idea that the pink “matchmaker dress” is a poor way to represent Mulan in the theme parks, but… so is her soldier armor. It’s just as much not who she is as the pink dress. It represents her pretending to be Ping, and her deceiving everyone around her. It is her pretending to be a man, to be someone else entirely. Honestly, if you want to talk about the outfit that best represents her, I’d suggest this one:

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The outfit she wore when she defeated Shan Yu. That is who Mulan is; a warrior, but still a woman. It displays all of the strength that she truly has, yet still manages to be true to who she truly is. This it the outfit that she changed the entire country in; would anything have changed if she was still pretending to be a man? I doubt it. This proves that a woman can be strong, but still be feminine. Given that many people tend to equate being feminine with weakness, I think portraying that the two are not mutually exclusive is a damn powerful message to be portraying to kids in theme parks.

Just my two cents.

THANK YOU

That’s the dress she wore when the Emperor of China bowed to HER.

The most powerful person in the kingdom, the ruler of one of the world’s most advanced civilizations, bowed to HER.

That’s absolutely the dress she should wear.

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Anonymous said: Like yes, yes, yes for your recent ask, he one with Scott and Stiles? I mean, they have such a toxic, unhealthy friendship, and I can kinda understand how it happened, with Stiles needing someone to lean on after his mom died and his dad was in mourning, and developing a codependent attachment to a friend who is selfish, self-absorbed, idiotic, and an amazingly realistic example of a teenager. But is seen as this amazing person, without ever doing anything good.

athenadark:

ohno-zombees:

athenadark:

under-the-same-stars-and-sky:

bansheeinthedark:

athenadark:

bansheeinthedark:

athenadark:

bansheeinthedark:

athenadark:

I’ve mentioned this before but the problem/amazing thing is about perspective

the perspective in teen wolf is very scott friendly

but for a second let’s look at Peter, in many narratives Peter waking up from the coma and killing the people who killed his family would make him the hero - look at the awful film "hard to kill" with steven seagal - it is that exact same plot but Scott codes him as the villain, the villainous Argents who burned the Hales alive for no apparent reason are given heroic status BY Scott, he tells the Hales the Argents must have had a reason because he wants to believe Allison’s family is good so he can be iwth Allison - not that Allison is not associated with the fire in any way and might hate her family for doing it (which she does) Allison’s family hate the Hales so Scott does.

We never see Jackson as the victim of his transformation although he clearly is until Scott does, he is never a malefactor even when it’s arguable that Mr Lahey is his own victim. This happens again and again, the perspective is skewed towards Scott and becuase of it we believe Scott is the hero, but he’s not

we cannot give him a pass for his age because we don’t give other heroes his age that same pass, Aang was 11, Edward Elric was 15, I’m unsure of the age of Percy Jackson off hand but each of them rose up to lead, Scott talks the talk but when push comes to shove he fails. He needs rescued more often than he rescues, he tells himself he has no choice when he consistently sides with the villains (Gerard, Deucalion, Garrett) when the biggest choice is also the easiest - he trusts his pack

So it’s okay to justify Peter murdering people involved in the Hale fire because he was avenging his family (never mind that Kate probably coaxed them and they didn’t do it willingly, remember how Harris said she took advantage of his alcoholism), but when Scott is forced to join forces with the bad guys under duress (meaning they were gonna fucking kill his mom) we ‘can’t give him a pass’? 

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pssst is it because he’s not white?

wow, way to miss the point, so I’m glad you’re done

the story is told from scott’s perspective ie we give him a pass on things because we expect him to be the hero

if the story was told from Peter’s perspective - newsflash it’s not - he would be the hero

if the story was told from Danny’s perspective He would be the hero

that’s how it works

the perspective character - whoever it is - becomes the hero because that’s how most stories are told, just as we champion Walter White, or Olivia Pope or even Hannibal - we do it because the story is told in their voice - not because of their skin colour

if Percy Jackson is the main character = he becomes the hero 

or Katniss Everdeen, or Thomas, or Eggs from the Boxtrolls, just as Perseus and Theseus and Jason were

Scott is the PERSPECTIVE character so traditionally he would be the hero

I didn’t miss the point, but I think maybe YOU did. I know how perspective works. It’s no secret that the show is told from Scott’s perspective and rightly so - he’s the teen wolf, after all, remember?

"we cannot give him a pass for his age (…) Scott talks the talk but when push comes to shove he fails. He needs rescued more often than he rescues, he tells himself he has no choice when he consistently sides with the villains (Gerard, Deucalion, Garrett) when the biggest choice is also the easiest - he trusts his pack"

Beside the fact that those points completely ignore the context, they also aren’t about perspective so don’t kid yourself. You’re not suggesting he operates in shades on gray like other characters, which he does. You are literally saying that EVEN though the narrative is told from his perspective, and you are given the reasons for why he ‘consistently sides with the bad guys’ (under threat of his mother’s life in Gerard and Deucalion’s case, and because he didn’t know he was evil in Garret’s) you still hold him to impossibly high moral standards while at the beginning of the post you were quick to justify the villainous actions OF A VILLAIN.

#TEEN WOLF #IDIOT ANTIS #WOW THIS ONE WAS MUCH WORSE THAN USUAL #HOW TO MISS THEPOINT - AN IDIOT’S GUID 

Thanks for insulting me by the way. I’d reply in kind but I’d rather not lower myself to your level. I feel the same way about you though.

Gerard - why did Scott go along with it - despite telling Deaton

why not go to the sheriff and point out that Gerard had made threats to his mom because scott was dating Allison - after all that’s part of the sheriff’s job and Gerard is/was human at the time. But that would have cast more negative light on Allison’s family. It would have stopped Gerard’s plans dead in the water, and if he had told Allison, even if not Stiles, she wouldn’t have fallen to Gerard’s machinations, the chances are she would have told her dad as well. Voila Gerard is dealt with

but Scott didn’t go with Gerard because he was threatening his mom - he went with Gerard because he was poisoning him - because it gave him access to Gerard so he could betray him.

Scott went with Deucalion casting aside his pack to their face because he didn’t believe his pack would save his mom - which guess what they did and Deucalion didn’t. He thought he could sway Deucalion to his point of view but massively misunderstood his enemy, and grossly overestimated his point.

Scott went with Garrett again rather than trusting his pack, rather than alerting someone to the fact that Liam was missing and have people look for him using wolfy senses = Malia could have done this remember, even if Scott wouldn’t, but Scott was prepared to risk both his own father and the sheriff rather than trusting his pack would foil Garrett. He then took Garretts’ money and kept it - Stiles suggested holding it back until they knew peter wasn’t responsible - Scott wanted to spend it.

Did you ever watch Suits, in season 1 Harvey talks about what to do when someone has a gun to your head, Mike questions him, but later Harvey does exactly that, he not only reacts to having a gun to his head but turns the situation to his advantage and comes out not only having defeated his enemy but winning the drug dealer as a client for the company.

It’s a great example because he’s right - even when  you have a gun to your head you have a choice, there is no such thing as no choice, Scott could have chosen several other things, he could have trusted the sheriff, his pack, he could have chosen death. Scott never does this - he ALWAYS chooses the easiest path.

Yet BECAUSE the perspective is his, because we are told the story with him as the main character we treat Scott as a heroic character but his actions are rarely if ever heroic.

Would Captain America work with the Red Skull if there was no other choice? Would Spiderman? Would Percy Jackson? or Edward Elric? no - so why the hell do we forgive Scott for doing it.

I’m not gonna waste my breath arguing those points over and over when you’re so set in your narrow-minded views of canon that you twist everything to shit on Scott. He makes mistakes, he’s not perfect and he messes up. Know what that’s called? Depth. 

With same breath you accuse the narrative of always showing him in the right you bash him when it shows his struggles with morality. So what the fuck? What are you really aiming at? 

(and really, using ‘well captain america wouldn’t do that!!!!!’ to find fault in Scotts behavior is just hilarious. thank you for the laugh)

obviously someone never watched FMA because Ed works with the ‘bad guys’ on so many occasions like Ed does not walk a straight line of goodness. And I’m pretty sure that Percy has at leastlike 2 incidents where, for whatever reason, just in the first book, he had to work with a ‘bad guy’ while knowing they’re bad, although I could be wrong. 

The point is, people need to leave Scott alone because he is not perfect and he has flaw but almost every bad choice he makes that involves working with th bad guys involves his intense morality, and refusal to kill. Scott always wants to see the best in people and persuade them to do better, and yeah, sometimes that doesn’t go too well. But if you’re seriously going to start bashing him for that, then you have issues my friend. 

Also, just because we see things from Scotts POV, that doesn’t mean we’r all automatcally saying ‘yes this is right he is the hero he knows’. Literally every decently writtn main character makes choices that have the audience sitting there screaming ‘NO STOP THIS IS BAD CHOICE NO’. That’s apart of what make stories good, is having a hin of realism where the characters don’t alwys just make the good, right descisons that lead to all-happy endings. 

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I’m not as familiar with Percy Jackson but i now FMA quite well, I read it as it was coming out, I’ve seen both the original series and brotherhood, and I’m trying to think of these situations where he helped the enemy, but no hero should be the paragon because a) it’s unrealistic and b) it’s bad writing.

Scott is flawed, but unlike most hero characters when he makes mistakes he doesn’t really learn from them. That is why we call him tefloan coated. Working with Garrett is a good example because Kate ends up a) turning over the car he was going to turn over and b) removing Garrett. He has no consequences for his actions, Ed is a shit but when he messes up (like trying to resurrect his mom) he is aware of the problem, that he messed up and tries his damnednest to fix it - that IS his narrative

a heroes narrative is not to be flawless but how they get back up when they fall

Scott doesn’t, his flaws make him a well written character, but it’s only perspective that makes him a hero

And let’s not forget that Scott, along with working with the bad guys under duress, basically plotted murder?

I mean, I love a flawed hero as much as the next girl, but when you switch out a cancer patient’s medicines that’s

A) a federal crime
B) a felony
C) that could get his mom fired
D) and would have definitely killed Gerard by regular means.

THEN, working with Deaton (who Stiles doesn’t like and Stiles’ creepdar makes NORAD look like a tin can telephone) to fill those medicines with a highly toxic substance that kills werewolves?

And THEN coercing a werewolf with a history of coersion-based trauma into biting this man (and tainting one of the few memories he has left of his family “the bite is a gift” turned into a weapon to level up the genocidal maniac who murdered his family), knowing full well he’s filled him to the eyeballs full of Werewolf kryptonite?

I love it, don’t get me wrong, but godDAMN. That’s ugly. And at least half of that ugliness could have been avoided by simply telling the dude you were coercing about the plan. But he doesn’t, and that’s not the sign of a good leader.

As for the race comment, please. This has nothing to do with his skin and everything to do with his really dubious actions.

I absolutely agree zombees, scott was lucky that deaton was right about what gerard wanted, if he had just wanted to slaughter the pack that killed his daughter and killed derek scott would be culpable for first degree premeditated murder

And my problem with this narrative is that Scott never learns. It’s one thing to have a flawed hero (and by “thing”, I mean, basically the opening plot to every single work of male-led literature ever), another to have a flawed hero who DOESNT LEARN.

That’s not a good sign.

And I dunno. I like Scott. He’s an interesting character. But at the same time, he risked the SHERIFF on a hunch.

He knows, he of ALL people, knows how important the Sheriff is to his putative best friend. Yes, he and his dad have a dysfunctional relationship. That’s fair. But the Sheriff has been nothing but good to him, and he’s the lynchpin of Stiles’ world.

Losing the Sheriff would kill Stiles, or worse, give him absolutely nothing to live for. We might end up seeing Stiles as The Unfettered tropr; the Nogitsune, only this time, there’s no demon to cast out.

Even if the worst case doesn’t happen, if the Sheriff /had/ died? Stiles would have nobody at all, and with that in mind, I really can’t justify Scott risking the sheriff so flagrantly, ESPECIALLY when a single text “fyi spooky shit afoot” would have given them both a heads up.

I dunno. I like Scott. I like a mixed race protagonist in a hit TV show. I like moral ambiguity. But he has this gift for making the worst possible decision in any circumstances. You know what I think it is? He forgets he’s not a lone wolf. He underutilizes the Pack, and as we know, “the lone wolf dies, the pack survives”.